we've been growing up with this mentality since as long as i can remember. it's not like the government didn't try to incorporate co-curricular activities into the education system, just that it wasn't really successful. you know how we were 'forced' to join like at least three clubs or something during high school, we would try to choose clubs that are not so active so that we don't have to get too involved or some would choose clubs that no one joins so that they can hold a position in the club and gain more credits. one club which was totally manipulated by those 'genius' is the bomba club! i remembered that so many of my classmates and friends joined that club and basically 'sapu' all the positions available. not only did they not have meetings but they earn all those additional points. unlike me, i was so-called editor for the interact club and i enjoyed fulfilling my responsibilities but because there's no such position in the outline, i only gained the same amount of points as any other ordinary member. besides that, in form 3, a number of us joined the chess club just to gain attendance mark. we would go there and instead of playing chess, played dam for less than half an hour and tell the teacher in charge that we had to open the 'koperasi' and she would sign our cards to show that we were present even for a while. in the matter of academic, the teachers always tell us that we would not be successful, get the job we want if we don't do well in high school. if you don't do well in high school then you won't be able to get into tertiary institutions. we've been drilled to score well since we were young, so if they suddenly tell us that we need to be active in other activities and good results just isn't enough, what they expect us to do? rewind time and go back to school and try to be more active in sports? actually, being active in co-curricular activities in school is just the beginning. even in uni, there's still a lot of chance to improve upon your leadership, communication skills etc. unfortunately, many people join clubs in uni because of the discounts they offer by just becoming a member. sometimes they even have to drag strangers to go to their meeting because it is the requirement to have at least 50 people in a club meeting. even now, i still think that it is important to get good results, you don't see someone who doesn't have excellent scores but active getting into the deans list, do you? also, when you go for a job interview, you would first be considered for the job based on your academic performance. then the added advantage that put you above other applicants would be that you have exceptionally impressive people and communication skills. however, as for me, no matter what i do, i'll still be working for JPA with the same pathetic low pay no matter i have good results or good social skills. that is unless they ran out of job and i have to look for my own job then i'm dead! there's not much potential for biotechnology in Malaysia, well at least that's how it looks like for now. it's not like the biotechnology sector will boom overnight right? study hard or play hard? ~ponderz
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You are so wrong. Being strong academically isn't enough at all. The main point is being street smart and the way u answer in interviews. U could be a less smart student in uni but when u go for an interview and u manage to impress them not only with ur knowledge but also with your social and communication skills. Many academically wise students like u do not have such chracteristics like what the interviewers are actually looking for. Good luck.
an intro perhaps? if you've read nicely, i did say that having good communication skills is an added advantage. so there goes my point that academic may not be enough but it's nonetheless a factor here. anyways, i didn't say anything about me not possessing those skills and i do agree that having those skills tend to give you more confidence in an interview. it's true that some people excel in practical terms not academic wise and that's what uni's all about right? by the way, i enjoy volunteering for social events within my faculty and uni. just that i can't seem to see the point of joining a club just to get discounts that's why i don't bother? ~cheerz
Why is Khong FayLin talking to herself? As for me, the 'nonsense' which teachers put in to make us join clubs was ignored by me for years... yeah right the government going to let a superman go into University with him failing every subjects he took. So i'm don't join any uniform group which looks useless to me, but sports and CF, that's different story... i still end up in the same level as those who strive to make themselves busy! This university i'm in, i don't have any choices! They make every activities compulsory such as community service and 50km walk... Cis... and if i'm going to take extra elective subjects, it'll be those seen useful to me such as Japanese lessons, Entreprenuership, and Organizational Behavior? Hehe... Nowadays if anyone ask me if extra-co-curricular activities are any useful back in high school, i would still and definitely tell them a big NO! Unless of course, you want to be known for some position you're responsible for or just following 'advices'...
hey! i'm not talking to myself! i thought it didn't go through that's why i wrote twice...now i don't know how to delete it! ahaha..yeah!! at least got people think like me. organizational behaviour's nice! 50km walk? can't they see that you're already 'fit' enough?
yaya... i love OB oso mann.... kesian william hav to walk.. but i heard companies wun even look at ur app if u dun score at least a 3.0.. sigh... yea... i agree.. extra-co-curricular act sucks.. not worth the effort at all.. kena marah aje... looks like u found a way to delete the comment at last huh.. lol...
3.0? That'll only enable me to be interviewed! 3.5 to get them interested in me... But to get it wasn't that hard, only a little effort here and a lot there, 3.9 wasn't even a dream! But to get me hardworking will require a miracle! Or maybe just a girlfriend in my room... Hehe...
somebody actionnnn siulllll.... yea.. heard they'll pik around 3.5 oso... but they dun pik the smartest worr.. dunno y.. maybe takut get nerd.. lol..
Action what? YiChing and his nonsense again... 4 flats are not for nerds only... if you could cut down on your cyber-cafes, games, talk on phone, hand out yum cha every other day, who can't get a pointer above 3.5? Cis... But then in KUKUM, is super easy lah, since Finals only weight 50% overall... and i'm still lazy as usual, so where's the action in me? Cis...
erm... it's been a very long time since i've go in a cafe...no games to play... i dun reali talk on the phone anyone as i broke up d... n nobody to yum char wit... these days wrk wrk wrk onli le... ish ish.. no le.. next sem i must reali wrk hard d... results for the 1st 2sems realli sucky.. wanna pull up.. ish ish.. william teruk siulll.. arguin in fay lin's blog! u think wat? chat room ar? ish ish... where's ur gf's pik??
FayLin haven't make noise, you don't start with me oK?
10+1 = 10?
Now normal already... hehe... sorry FayLin!
hello? are you guys ignoring me? cis!! i angry one ar! do not talk in my post of things that are not relevant! if want to talk, talk outside la. too shy is it? =P
tis william's fault le.. post crap here 1... ish ish... bad bad william.. u see.. now fay lin make noise d.. lol..
No wonder I was sneezing badly the other day. You were talking about the Kelab Bomba monopoly! Hehe, I remember posing with the hose for the sake of taking a picture, for the yearbook.
By right, the objective of extra co-cu activities is to try to make students an all-rounder, one who does not only excel in studies, but has got respectable leadership qualities, excellent inter-personal skills and is active in sports.
Sadly, the implementation in most schools has been far from successful. For most students, joining these activities is just for the sake of joining them. Because the schools made it compulsory. Because otherwise the Sijil Berhenti won't be issued (?). Because university entrance requires extra co-cu participation.
The fact that not all 'extra' activities are recognised by the school is not helpful at all. Like you said it, you were the editor but the school didn't recognise it. This is the kind of setback that all schools should avoid. The teacher in-charge should be able to give a proper remark, or credits to deserving students.
However, there are students who possess good leadership qualities, sociable, eloquent speaker and good in sports, but they don't join activities offered in school. Kudos to schools who recognise these 'outside' activities, but how often do they do this? You've got to be some state player/diver/swimmer/biker or national player/diver/swimmer/climber/sailor/racer then only the school recognise you.
I say we should study hard, don't play so hard. Sports are starting to take the back seat now. But achievements in competitions (academic-inclined) and off-campus achievements (public speaking, debate, toastmaster, technical competitions) are an added advantage. As for primary and secondary school activities, would I recommend it? Hell yes. Because they can help beautify the Sijil Berhenti ;p
In any case, even if you don't have a list of co-cu activities to fill up your CV or resume (meaning if you've got like oni one or two lah. If really zero, also abit hard lah), if you speak well and have the right attitude, good inter-personal skills and confident speaker, you're halfway through already. I read that attitude is what's important. So speak and act right, flaunt a positive attitude, so I was told ;p.
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